Showing posts with label St Clair DNA. Show all posts
Showing posts with label St Clair DNA. Show all posts

Saturday, June 22, 2013

Surname Soup

The Engrailed Cross on a St Clair grave in
Herdmanston Chapel.
Photo by Steve St. Clair, October 2012.

(click to enlarge)
Digging around in medieval records can be both fascinating and frustrating at the same time.

The newest page on the St Clair / Sinclair DNA website is about our recently proven Herdmanston St Clairs, now proven to be P310+, U106-, P312- (otherwise known as L11*).

Today, as I was looking through the lengthy list of names on the Family Tree DNA study page that includes L11, I was struck by two names -
  • Mandeville
  • Wishart
Because they share the L11* SNP (Wishart needs to confirm) with our Herdmanston St Clairs, it's safe to say they share a common ancestor - at least until further SNPs are discovered. But then I remembered the witnesses to a particular record of some importance in our family - the granting of the lands of Roslin to the Sinclair family.

14 September 1279, Traquair - "Alexander, king of Scots, gives notice that, since Henry of Roslin, tenant of his lands of Roslin (MLO) and Catcune (nr Borthwick, MLO), has resigned and quitclaimed these lands to him by rod and staff, he has given to William Sinclair, knight, said lands of Roslin and Catcune, doing service of half a knight"
The witnesses to this grant of land could be instructive:

  • Robert Wishart, bishop of Glasgow (d.1316) 
  • William Fraser, bishop of St Andrews (d.1297) 
  • Gilbert de Umfraville, earl of Angus (d.1307)
  • William Comyn of Kilbride (d.c.1283)
  • Simon Fraser (d.1291×92)
  • Bernard Mowat (son of Michael)
  • William Bisset, knight (late 13C)
  • Patrick Graham, knight (d.1296)
Source - People of Medieval Scotland. Their source, Newbattle Registrum, Cartae originales, no. 6 - RRS, iv, no. 126

Saint-Clair-sur-Elle, in the department of Manche,
on the Cotetin Peninsula, France (click to enlarge)
Witnesses to land records often had a personal connection with the grantee; sometimes a blood connection. For instance, Hamo St. Clair (who received the creation of the baronies of Eaton Socon and Walkern) was closely allied with de Mandeville (Vincent, p. 243). There's a great article on Eaton Socon at British History Online


There's a great paper on this St. Clair / Mandeville connection in the 1998 Proceedings of the Battle Conference.  I own this book and highly recommend you buy it. A footnote on page 243 states "The St Clair family, for whom the baronies of Eaton Socon and Walkern were created, were former tenants of Eudo Dapifer, both in England and their birthplace, Saint-Clair-sur-Elle, dep. Manche;" (Anglo Norman Studies, p. 243)  They credit Lewis C. Loyd's Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families, which I also recommend buying.

In another blog post I wrote back in February 2013, I discussed how some of these same names all showed up in a DNA SNP group called L257+. That SNP isn't in our Sinclair DNA study at all.

But now these surnames are showing a direct hit with our St Clair Herdmanston Lineage.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Sources - 
"Anglo-Norman Studies XXI: Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1998" edited by Christopher Harper-Bill, Boydell & Brewer, 1999  ISBN 0 85115 745 9

POMS - website, People of Medieval Scotland

Vincent, Nicholas, "Warin and Henry Fitz Gerald, The King's Chamberlains" The Origins of the Fitzgeralds Revisited. Presented to "Anglo-Norman Studies 21: Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1998," edited by Christopher Harper-Bill, Boydell & Brewer, 1999

Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Sinclair DNA Video

A quick overview of ancient DNA discoveries in the last few years.


If you have trouble seeing the above video, click here.

Recent discoveries in the field are adding new understanding to our Sinclair DNA study and, of course, many others around the world.

Sunday, July 8, 2012

How Sinclair DNA members avoid getting pulled into the hype

As in many aspects of life, there's a tremendous amount of hype that happens in particular parts of the DNA world. This blog post is about avoiding the hype and staying focused on the facts.

1. No one, I repeat, NO ONE knows with any real certainty who their ancient ancestors were. When I say ancient, I mean sometime around or before the 1300s. Genealogists who are good at what they do, know that records before the 1600s are incredibly scarce. So if someone is claiming that they know with absolute certainty who their ancestors were in the 1300s, it means that they must be of a royal family in England, France, or elsewhere. Or they're simply making it up.

While records run out sometime around or before the 1600s, DNA cannot get close enough to that time period to finish the story. There are currently a few SNP tests which can give you some sense of the geography of a common ancestor who might have lived about 1000 AD. But that leaves a 600 year gap. And lots of things could've happened during that 600 year gap.

Traditional records-based genealogy research works backwards in time. DNA research works forward, from our exit out of Africa, to where we are today. The advent of SNPs has allowed us to get much closer towards the 1600s. And while it is tempting to think that you have solved it,  you will most likely be proven wrong. For this reason, I offer point number two.

2. Watch for words which signal proclamations. There are a bunch of Yahoo groups out there, many of which contain very solid researchers. But often, lurking in the shadows, are some of what I call "true believers."
How do you recognize a true believer? You will see people using words like:
  • We've solved it
  • Certain
  • Absolute
  • Definite
  • Finally
  • Merovingians
  • Holy Grail
  • Bloodline
  • Knights Templar
  • Da Vinci Code
And here are some words you will not see them using:
  • Possibly
  • Probability
  • Evidence
  • Footnote
  • Chance
  • More research
  • Lewis C.  Loyd
  • K.S.B Keats-Rohan
  • Non-Internet research
  • Library
  • Trip to the NAS
  • I'm not sure
3. Choose your Sinclair researchers carefully. I don't blame Dan Brown, really. He could not have known the effect his book, The Da Vinci Code, would have on the genealogy and DNA world. A quick look around the Internet will show you many families (with only the slightest of links to the Sinclair family) who have decided that they are in fact our blood relations. Even within our own family the book has caused huge divisions. A few members of our family are utterly convinced they descend from a supposed union of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. This is not a subject which should even be discussed when one is working on DNA. If you doubt me, look at how your local library (there's that word again) puts The Da Vinci Code on its shelves. It's in the fiction section.

We have a wonderful group of people researching the history of the Sinclair St. Clair family. We host this group on Google Groups, and we maintain high standards. If you are a serious researcher, and have some reason to be researching the Sinclair St. Clair family, please get in touch with us at our website StClairResearch.com

Our methodology page at the Sinclair DNA website

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The Sinclair DNA study puts out frequent YouTube videos.

Thursday, June 28, 2012

Our First Sinclair DNA Video

Back when I first made a major overhaul of the Sinclair DNA website, this video was on it. Parts of one of the charts has changed, and we've certainly learned a lot more, but the basic approach has proven true - Let the data lead where it may.
Click here to see it on YouTube - http://youtu.be/hafEg--GWlE

Sunday, May 20, 2012

Rosslyn Chapel, built by William St. Clair

This is a beautiful video about Rosslyn Chapel. The protective canopy is now removed. William St Clair directed the construction of Rosslyn in the mid-1400s.

Friday, May 11, 2012

Sinclair DNA Mystery Lineage on Blog Talk Radio

For many years now, we've had a lineage that goes through part of Virginia, through Pennsylvania, Ireland, and southern Scotland. Yet we haven't found a common ancestor, so we've referred to them as our "Mystery Lineage." We're not yet sure where their common geography in the UK is.

Now, thanks to hard work of several of the members of this lineage, and some lucky breaks, the DNA of this Sinclair lineage seems to be pointing to some common areas.

Keep an eye on our website as we get the genealogists of this group together to discuss their research and how the DNA seems to be corroborating it.

You can hear several of our "radio shows" in which we discuss Sinclair DNA at this link.

In this next show, listen for clues that can help your own DNA study. This Sinclair lineage has definitely shown patience and inventiveness in their approach to DNA.

Saturday, March 17, 2012

Sinclair DNA Basic Training Had Wide Following

So far, the DNA training we had for the Sinclair / St Clair / Siceler family has had 203 listeners. The ability to track your success (or failure) is one of the great features of online properties. For instance, here are our overall statistics:

492 Listeners - "St Clair DNA Research & Prince Henry Sinclair" - 2/17/2011 - This was the interview with Richard White, author of the book on Prince Henry Sinclair.

317 Listeners - "Sinclair DNA and SNPs, the Next Step - Terry Barton" - 3/8/2012 - This was the interview with Terry Barton, founder of WorldFamilies.net

1,435 Listeners - "Sinclair DNA and Bennett Greenspan, Founder of FTDNA" - 4/14/2012 - I promoted this one heavily before the show and the recorded version got a very good following.

778 Listeners - "Sinclair DNA Interviews Andrea Di Robilant" - 12/29/2011 - This was a very fun show about Andrea's new book, "Irresistible North, From Venice to Greenland on the Trail of the Zen Brothers," regarding the voyage of the Zeno Brothers.

203 Listeners - "Sinclair DNA Basic Discussion" - 3/03/2012 - The DNA training session.

Naturally, those shows which have been up for a long time will continue to built up "listeners" because they continue to attract attention.

It's gratifying that we're putting up content that people find useful. The latest one, the DNA training session, will definitely help those who are new to DNA testing.


Other ways Sinclair DNA can help out beginners

On our website, www.StClairResearch.com, you'll notice the links to the left. There, if you click the link "New Visitors Click Here," you'll see a series of 6 pages you can visit. I highly recommend two of these -
About DNA Testing - This page has 2 videos on it from Family Tree DNA, our testing lab. It also covers the basics of what will happen with your results.

Privacy Concerns Answered - Early in our DNA study, several people expressed concerns about giving something so private as their very DNA to a testing company. After a lot of research on the question, I answered all this openly and honestly.

Another link down that left hand side of our website is "Methodology." This is a lengthy page that approaches the subject scientifically, starting with 2 hypotheses. On this page I show you what your results page offers; I define a Lineage; discuss the limits of YDNA versus mtDNA; and generally lay out the overall approach of this or any DNA study.

On the left hand side of the Sinclair DNA website, you'll notice 3 other links where we get into the meat of the study. As we move forward in time, you'll notice more links at each of these 3 sections of the website. That's because we're working our way from the "trunk" of the family tree out to the disparate "branches."

Early Path Through Time - This page takes you all the way back to the origins of man and begins the journey forward. The chart you'll find there needs to be updated for some of our SNPs. For families to have arrived at a place during a time period, they had to have come from somewhere. The locations of their travels were effected over long periods of time by outside events, like the last glacial maxim, 18,000 years ago. If you're alive today, then your ancestors were, in some way, effected by that event.

Lineages - More Recent Path - This page is in the process of being updated and re-structured. The big changes that have effected our study and the way the results must be displayed is SNP studies. This page and the links on it are all the result of our being split into Lineages by SNP studies.

Genealogy Groups - 1600 AD+ - This is the most recent of the 3 pages that get into our path through time. As genealogy must, this page divides our family based on where they migrated since the 1500s. Accurate records research before the 1600s is nearly impossible. But the combination of SNP studies plus honest records research can begin to point the way to understanding who our ancestors were.

The final DNA step


On the Sinclair DNA website, you'll see a page called "A Confluence of Surnames - SNP Connections." This is my attempt to connect the dots between SNP studies and ancient documents. An important part of this 24-page document is the statement that I'm not making any claims in this research. This particular paper took me about 9 months of ongoing research into ancient documents, DNA connections and more. The great joy of the project for me was in not making any claims, but simply looking to see if medieval records also connected in similar patterns to our SNP connections.

Every St Clair / Sinclair DNA participant can take the same approach


If you're in a DNA study, don't just focus on your DNA. Instead, look into the records of your ancestors. If you decide to look back in the medieval period, then you might find people of different surnames circulating around each other. Remember that the use of surnames was very fluid in the medieval period. I found several records in which people were clearly using a different second name based on where they lived. Too many "purists" think their ancestors used the same surnames since the 1100s. It's highly unlikely.

If you look through that "Confluence" section on the Sinclair DNA website, you'll see 14 mentions of the name Ashley. This is one that shows up in my STR matches. My next stop would be to go look at their DNA results. Click here.

There you'll see they have quiet a large group who show the R1b1a2a1a1b4 SNP. This is the L21 group. Many of them claim ancestry back to England. I only count 3 participants who look like they'll show the U106 SNP, a clear divide in our family.

This is all very interesting because, in my STR connections, I have the Ashley name. Also, I'm a part of the L21 SNP, just like the Ashley family. And to top it off, in my medieval records research I found 13 different mentions of the Ashley family in close proximity to the St Clair family, likely descendants of Bretel de St Clair. They signed documents together at Wells Cathedral, the Benedictine Priory of St. James at Bristol, and Montacute Priory. The Ashley family received all but one of the Domesday properties of Bretel St Clair upon his death.

And to really seal the deal, there is a record of a Willelm de Sancto Claro (St Clair) who had 2 sons: one was Philip de St Claro, and the other was Walter de Esselega (Ashley). That second son took a different surname.

As you can see, DNA is fun, but the real satisfaction comes when you see strong coincidences between your DNA and ancient documents. When you find medieval records which clearly connect people with different surnames, and you see the same surname connections in your DNA SNP matches, then you may be on your way to some real discoveries.

Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Sinclair DNA Basic Discussion Via BlogTalkRadio

The date is set for our BlogTalkRadio discussion.

Saturday, March 3rd at 1:00 PM Eastern Time (New York City).

Click here to launch the show

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Monday, February 20, 2012

Sinclair DNA Blog Up & Running

It's rather difficult to put up new pages on the Sinclair DNA website, so I'm going to use this blog to work out ideas as they develop. I'll link to this from the main website.

Look for a lot of new updates as things develop. The most urgent issue now is to add clarity to our U106 Lineages.

Our DNA study has interesting developments thanks to SNP testing. The U106 Lineages have been very lucky over the past year thanks to the Z-series of SNPs. None have been more lucky than our Argyle lineage which is now proven to be positive for a SNP called Z2. We've now tested 4 people who show this SNP and it's now the definitive Argyle DNA signature.

Stay tuned as the Sinclair DNA study continues to explore our various Lineages


We currently manage 12 distinct Sinclair Lineages in our DNA study. None share a common ancestor for at least 2,300 years. This is quite normal for a surname that takes its origins based on land. France has had as many as 29 places with this name.