|The Engrailed Cross on a St Clair grave in|
Photo by Steve St. Clair, October 2012.
(click to enlarge)
The newest page on the St Clair / Sinclair DNA website is about our recently proven Herdmanston St Clairs, now proven to be P310+, U106-, P312- (otherwise known as L11*).
Today, as I was looking through the lengthy list of names on the Family Tree DNA study page that includes L11, I was struck by two names -
The witnesses to this grant of land could be instructive:
- Robert Wishart, bishop of Glasgow (d.1316)
- William Fraser, bishop of St Andrews (d.1297)
- Gilbert de Umfraville, earl of Angus (d.1307)
- William Comyn of Kilbride (d.c.1283)
- Simon Fraser (d.1291×92)
- Bernard Mowat (son of Michael)
- William Bisset, knight (late 13C)
- Patrick Graham, knight (d.1296)
|Saint-Clair-sur-Elle, in the department of Manche,|
on the Cotetin Peninsula, France (click to enlarge)
There's a great paper on this St. Clair / Mandeville connection in the 1998 Proceedings of the Battle Conference. I own this book and highly recommend you buy it. A footnote on page 243 states "The St Clair family, for whom the baronies of Eaton Socon and Walkern were created, were former tenants of Eudo Dapifer, both in England and their birthplace, Saint-Clair-sur-Elle, dep. Manche;" (Anglo Norman Studies, p. 243) They credit Lewis C. Loyd's Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families, which I also recommend buying.
In another blog post I wrote back in February 2013, I discussed how some of these same names all showed up in a DNA SNP group called L257+. That SNP isn't in our Sinclair DNA study at all.
But now these surnames are showing a direct hit with our St Clair Herdmanston Lineage.
Curiouser and curiouser.
"Anglo-Norman Studies XXI: Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1998" edited by Christopher Harper-Bill, Boydell & Brewer, 1999 ISBN 0 85115 745 9
POMS - website, People of Medieval Scotland
Vincent, Nicholas, "Warin and Henry Fitz Gerald, The King's Chamberlains" The Origins of the Fitzgeralds Revisited. Presented to "Anglo-Norman Studies 21: Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1998," edited by Christopher Harper-Bill, Boydell & Brewer, 1999